Fun with Domain Scammers

I've listed a few of my old, unused, domains for sale on eBay. Just trying to get rid of them(the one in this post is now sold). I have put domains up for sale in the past, and received scam emails like the one I've posted below before(and actually did research to see if they were legit, I almost believed them). The basic scam is simple: they offer to buy the domain, but need to have it reviewed for value and trademark status before they can go ahead, by a reputable source. They, of course, link you to a service that they have used and recommend you go with them. The catch is that they either run that service or are partnered with it and make a profit off of every domain that is evaluated. Then, when you get back to them with the info they requested, they have some excuse that the money was spent elsewhere and they can no longer buy your domain. You were just suckered out of \$100 or so. Since I knew this scam, I decided to see if I could mess with them back. The following exchange occurred and is unedited, so I probably typo'd a bunch of stuff. Pretty well everything I say is a lie, so don't worry about that side of things, I knew it was a scammer from the start. I'm impressed it went this far. (Sorry about formatting issues, some of it just didn't transfer well.)

**info@solutions-web.info **<info@solutions-web.info> Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:14 AM
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| | | | Hello!I'm a broker of a private investor from | | Canada. He wants to buy [yourowntown.com](http://yourowntown.com/).My | | client has \$391,000 budget for 25-35 domains. Please specify your | | asking price in the subject of your message.Our company is in hosting | | and web development business. We also help our clients to sell and by | | domain names. If you have other domains for sale please email me the | | list. I may offer your domains to my clients. | |

| | How can we transfer money to you (escrow, wire, Paypal or Western | | Union)? | | | | I can also help you with the transfer process. | | | | Best Regards, | | | | Roland Kernen | | | | Vice President Investor Relations | Web Information Solutions | | | | Switzerland\ | | Basel\ | | Centralbahnstrasse 21\ | | Phone: 061 208 34 49 | | | |
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**Jared Young ** Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM
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| | | | Current valuation from Sedo's top end paid valuation service, the brand | | name in the industry for this service, is \$800. I also have the .net | | and .org that I can throw in for \$100 each. | |

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| | | | I will of course provide full documentation of the valuation provided to | | me once I can confirm your intent to purchase by a deposit at a proper | | escrow company. | | | |
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**Web Solutions **<info@solutions-web.info> Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:23 PM
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| | | | I'm unhappy with your low price. It does not allow me to earn a good | | commission on this sale. Please note I don't buy your domain.  I'm a | | representative. I buy your domain for my client. So I'm very motivated to | | finish this deal. I'm ready to help you with the process, transfer and | | any other things.I'm not interested in sales under 1000 usd. | | I suggest you to change your price to \$5000. Of course, the | | budget of my client is not unlimited but he can afford this sum. Ok?\ | | \ | | What country are you from? | | Do you sell a domain or a web site? Web site is not necessary. My client | | is more interested in the domain name only. | |

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| | | | He is also | | interested in purchasing gambling, accounting, insurance and adult | | names.\ | | | | | |
| | | | \ | | How can we pay you (PayPal, Western | | Union, [escrow.com](http://escrow.com/) etc.)? If this is your first | | time domain sale I may help you with the sale/transfer process. | | | | Are you a member of domain seller communities/forums? Probably, we know | | each other under some nicknames? | | | |
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**Jared Young ** Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:36 PM
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| | | | If you want to list it for \$5000, that is no problem for me. No website | | included, just the domain. I'm located in Canada, but the business with | | legal ownership is registered and operates in most countries. Escrow | | will be fine with me. I don't use any of the domain seller forums, this | | domain was purchased for a project that was never completed or released | | publicly and we are selling it as an asset for our needs. | |

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| | | | Due to the fact that the domain only is valued professionally(again by | | Sedo's manual valuation services) at \$800(plus the other two) I will | | not be able to provide documentation matching a \$5000 price point on | | the sale. | | | |
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**Web Solutions **<info@solutions-web.info> Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:18 PM
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| | | | Yes, we will buy it via | | Sedo. But only after you send him the appraisal from a source he trusts. | | I cannot do anything with that. This is his requirement.By | | the way,  the appraisal service of  Sedo does not include the trademark | | infringement verification. So it's not acceptable in our case.Moreover, | | they usually appraise names at 300-400 usd. It's not acceptable for me | | because my commission upon sale will be very low. So you may pay twice | | for another appraisal in this case.We need to use | |

| | [http://certificate-author | | ity.icann.org](http://certificate.authority-icann.org/). | | They provide a free trademark infringement verification as a bonus to | | the appraisal service.\ | | | | | |
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**Jared Young ** Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:24 AM
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| | | | Yeah, I totally understand that one. I don't think our lawyers would | | have let us buy the domain if there had been trademark issues, they | | request info on that as part of the registration process too. | |

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| | | | Luckily, as we wanted to create a global brand, the lawyers were useful. | | The trademark was registered in the US, EU and my understanding is that | | it is registered in about 100 countries. I'll happily forward you the | | details once the money hits the escrow account. If you are satisfied | | that it is a registered trademark internationally, we will of course | | include the transfer of the trademark at no extra cost to the purchasing | | organization. | | | |
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| | | | Let me know when you are ready to start the transaction | | via [escrow.com](http://escrow.com/) and we will go from there. | | | |
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**Web Solutions **<info@solutions-web.info> Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:34 AM
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| | | | My client need the appraisal not the only trademark verification. | |

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| | | | Before we proceed you should obtain an official appraisal | | from http://certificate-authority.icann.org\ | | | | | |
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| | | | They verify trademarks and | | my client trusts them. They send results very fast  - within 24 hours. | | Other services may send results within 3-7 days. This is not acceptable | | for my client. I also purchased some of their products earlier(wanted | | ads access and direct email service). This is a very reliable company | | with a great customer support.Just submit your domains and | | write in the comment field that you have a buyer with \$X,XXX offer so | | you need the appraisal near this value.In this case you won't get | | a low value. If the appraisal comes higher you can increase the price | | accordingly. It will be fair. Then email me the results | | and I will resend them to my buyer. | | | |
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**Jared Young ** Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:51 AM
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| | | | Sure no problem. Since this is going to cost us upfront(for a service | | that I have already paid for with another provider, who is generally the | | trusted source) you will understand that we will require verification of | | a deposit with [escrow.com](http://escrow.com/) for the purchase of the | | domain, plus the value of the appraisal(\$110USD). Once we have that | | information I'll request the appraisal from your preferred source and we | | can proceed with the transaction. If there is a problem with the | | process, there is no risk for you as you get your money back. | | Unfortunately, the finance guys will not approve purchasing an | | additional appraisal after approving one just the other month for the | | same domain unless I can show that it is already paid for. | |

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**Web Solutions **<info@solutions-web.info> Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:23 PM
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| | | | It's a standard practice | | to provide buyers with the TM verification and appraisal. It's very | | important for us to know the real market value of your domain and be | | sure the domain has no trademark problems. | | | |
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| | | | My client never | | proceeds without the appraisal with the TM verification from a source he | | trusts. I'm doing everything to make this deal happen. You can earn thousands by | | investing only several dollars in the appraisals. I hope you will not | | miss this opportunity. | | | |
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**Jared Young ** Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:24 PM
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| | | | Oh, we have no problem with providing that information, as I have | | stated, what's bothering us is that is has to come from that one | | provider. Why would your buyer trust a company's valuation where I could | | literally "write in the comment field that you have a | | buyer with \$X,XXX offer so you need the appraisal near this value". | | That makes the valuation worthless. If you still want the valuation, | | fine, at the \$5000 price point all you have to do is place the money in | | escrow with [escrow.com](http://escrow.com/) and I will order the | | valuation immediatly upon confirmation that the money is there. If I | | don't provide that data for you, then you don't have to buy the domain, | | but once I provide the valuation from them I will consider my end of the | | deal completed and will expect to close the deal within the week with | | the transfer of the domain to you. Please note, that as I explained | | earlier, we own the trademarks on these domains in multiple countries | | and therefore expect any competent trademark search should show exactly | | each country that it is registered in(80+ according to the guys in | | legal, they didn't want to waste time counting exactly, but promised me | | it was standard when they registered a trademark to go well above that | | mark). When we see the report I expect you will be able to tell how well | | your provider really do their research and find out if they should | | really be the source you trust.Jared | | | |
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For some reason they never bothered to follow up after that....

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